IEEE 802.11-17-1538r2 PAR Review Meeting Agenda
Review of IEEE 802.11-17-1538r2 PAR and CSD amendments focusing on High Efficiency Wireless LAN, Next Generation Positioning, and Routing Packets in Dynamically Changing Wireless Networks. Includes agenda, comments, and motion approval details.
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doc.: IEEE 802.11-17-1538r2 November 2017 PAR Review - Meeting Agenda and Comment slides - Nov 2017 - Orlando Date: 2017-11-06 Authors: Name Jon Rosdahl Affiliations Qualcomm Technologies Inc. Address 10871 N 5750 W Highland, UT 84003 Phone +1-801-492-4023 jrosdahl@ieee.org email Report Slide 1 Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)
doc.: IEEE 802.11-17-1538r2 November 2017 Abstract-Snapshot Nov 5 - 10, 2017, Orlando, FL, USA 802.11ax - Amendment: High Efficiency (HE) Wireless LAN PAR and CSD 802.11az - Amendment: Next Generation Positioning (NGP) PAR and CSD 802.15.10a - Amendment: Recommended Practice for Routing Packets in IEEE 802.15.4 Dynamically Changing Wireless Networks PAR and CSD Late posted PAR: 802.1CBcv -The PAR for approval (updated based on the July comments and now with no Purpose clause) is http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2017/cv-draft-PAR-1017-v03.pdf The CSD for approval (updated based on the July comments) is: http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2017/cv-draft-CSD-0917-v01.pdf Meeting times: Monday PM2, Thursday AM2 Report Slide 2 Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)
doc.: IEEE 802.11-17-1538r2 November 2017 PAR Review SC November 2017 Chair: Jon Rosdahl Draft Agenda: Monday Agenda: 1. Welcome 2. Approve Previous Minutes 3. Determine order of review 4. Review PARs/CSD posted for review this week. 5. Recess Thursday Agenda: 1. Review Response to Comments 2. Prepare Report for 802.11 WG closing plenary 3. Adjourn Report Slide 3 Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)
doc.: IEEE 802.11-17-1538r2 November 2017 Motion to Approve Previous Minutes Move to approve doc 11-17/1092r0 <https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/17/11- 17-1092-00-0PAR-minutes-july-2017-session.docx> as the minutes for PAR Review SC from July 2017 Plenary in Berlin. Moved: Mike MONTEMURRO 2nd: Stephen MCCAAN Results:4-0-1 Report Slide 4 Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)
doc.: IEEE 802.11-17-1538r2 November 2017 PAR Review Comments Report Slide 5 Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)
doc.: IEEE 802.11-17-1538r2 November 2017 802.11AX - AMENDMENT: HIGH EFFICIENCY (HE) WIRELESS LAN PAR and CSD No Comment Report Slide 6 Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)
doc.: IEEE 802.11-17-1538r2 November 2017 802.11AZ - AMENDMENT: NEXT GENERATION POSITIONING (NGP) PAR and CSD No Comment Report Slide 7 Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)
doc.: IEEE 802.11-17-1538r2 November 2017 802.15.10A - AMENDMENT: RECOMMENDED PRACTICE FOR ROUTING PACKETS IN IEEE 802.15.4 DYNAMICALLY CHANGING WIRELESS NETWORKS PAR and CSD 4.2 and 4.3 the time between dates should be at least 6 months. Suggest going to sponsor July 2018, or to REVcom in April/May (out of March Plenary). The other alternative is to have an explicit plan for why 5 months can work. 5.2b As a recommended practice, this should recommend routing modes that exist rather than define them. The paragraph seems to be redundant and ambiguous as to if we are adding new modes or modifying the existing ones. One possible way to clarify the paragraph may be to make the suggested changes: This amendment adds new routing modes to completely define addressing for the routing modes currently defined in the standard, including at least the following: Report Slide 8 Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)
doc.: IEEE 802.11-17-1538r2 November 2017 802.15.10a CSD 1.2.1a: Change capabity to capability and Interenet to Internet 1.2.3: Change 801.15.10 to IEEE Std 802.15.10 1.2.4a: Change the sentence to Route handling of dynamically changing networks are being implemented today using the IEEE STD 802.15.10-2017 Recommended Practice. Report Slide 9 Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)
doc.: IEEE 802.11-17-1538r2 November 2017 802.1CBcv While the 802.1CBcv PAR was not announced to the 802.11 PAR Review SC 30-days in advance (see 11-17/1538r0) an effort to review the PAR and CSD material was made. After discussion and review of the material submitted by 802.1, the PAR Review SC conducted a Straw poll in light of the confusing material received from 802.1. Straw poll: Shall 802.11 consider the 802.1CBcv PAR & CSD during the 2017 November Plenary? Yes: 0 No: 6 Abstain 1 Report Slide 10 Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)
doc.: IEEE 802.11-17-1538r2 November 2017 Email from Glenn Parsons on July 13, 2017 Removal from EC Agenda and consideration. On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Glenn Parsons <glenn.parsons@ericsson.com> wrote: Colleagues, The consent agenda motions have been updated with the 802.1 WG plenary votes. The file is on mentor: https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/17/ec-17-0130-01-00EC-802-1-consent-agenda-items-july- 2017.pdf Note that the motion for the P802.1CBcv PAR to NesCom failed in the WG, so this should be removed from the EC agenda. Cheers, Glenn Report Slide 11 Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)
doc.: IEEE 802.11-17-1538r2 November 2017 Email on Oct 18th Requesting to place on EC Agenda. (Note deadline was Oct 6, 2017) On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 7:09 AM, Glenn Parsons <glenn.parsons@ericsson.com> wrote: Colleagues, You may recall that 802.1 had provided a new PAR proposal in July for P802.1CBcv. As a result of a number of comments on the PAR, as well as a delay with base standard approval, the 802.1 WG decided to defer approval from July to November. IEEE Std 802.1CB has only recently been approved and the myProject database is now updated to allow PAR creation. As a result, I would like to propose a revision to this PAR as a follow-on to the initial PAR pre-submitted in July for the November plenary. The revised PAR and CSD are: http://ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2017/cv-draft-PAR-0917-v02.pdf http://ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2017/cv-draft-CSD-0917-v01.pdf I would like to have this PAR considered for November approval. Cheers, Glenn. Report Slide 12 Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)
doc.: IEEE 802.11-17-1538r2 November 2017 802.1CBcv Conclusion The PAR was removed from the Agenda by Email from Glenn Parsons on July 13, 2017, and a request to put on the November Agenda was submitted on Oct 18th 12 days after the deadline. Note that the email also indicates that approval of the PAR had failed in the WG. Note also that the IEEE 802 PARS under consideration: http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/PARs.shtml does not list this PAR. Report Slide 13 Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)
doc.: IEEE 802.11-17-1538r2 November 2017 Responses From 802 WGs Report Slide 14 Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)
doc.: IEEE 802.11-17-1538r2 November 2017 Response from 802.15 Hi all Attached is 802.15's responses to the comments received on the 802.15.10a PAR and CSD. They were a good set of comments and we accepted or revised most everything. I think the result is better PAR/CSD so thanks for taking the time to provide input. The finished results can be found at: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/17/15-17-0566-01-0000-802-15-10a-csd.docx https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/17/15-17-0565-01-0000-802-15-10a-par.pdf Best Bob Report Slide 15 Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)
November 2017 doc.: 15-17-0649-00-0000 PAR 802.15 response to 802.11 Comments 4.2 and 4.3 the time between dates should be at least 6 months. Suggest going to sponsor July 2018, or to REVcom in April/May (out of March Plenary). Resolution: Accept. Change will be made 5.2b As a recommended practice, this should recommend routing modes that exist rather than define them. Resolution: Reject. This is a bit of a style issue. We are really defining them for the purposes of the Recommended Practice. It would appear sufficient that as part of a Recommended Practice these definitions are not in the shall category. Besides, using the word recommending feels awkward and redundant for the above reason The paragraph seems to be redundant and ambiguous as to if we are adding new modes or modifying the existing ones. One possible way to clarify the paragraph may be to make the suggested changes: This amendment adds new routing modes to completely define addressing for the routing modes currently defined in the standard, including at least the following: Resolution: Revised. Change proposed to address the RAC Chair comment appears sufficient to address this comment Slide 16 Bob Heile, Wi-SUN Alliance Submis
November 2017 doc.: 15-17-0649-00-0000 802.15 Comment from RAC Chair-Resolution The Scope is imprecisely stated. The actual addressing (assigning of addresses, types of addresses used, etc) is not changing at all. It is the use of these addresses (how they are used and conveyed) for the different modes that is being more fully defined. Changing the first sentence of the scope to: This amendment adds routing modes to completely fully defines how the addressing and route information (already defined in the standard) are to be used by the routing modes (also currently defined in the standard), including at least the following: Changing 1.2.1b of the CSD to: This amendment allows for the use of the addressing and route information used in non-storing routing modes to be completely specified, permitting full support for all of the non- storing routing modes defined in the initial standard. This expands the use environment for the base standard in the very large Internet of Things (IoT) market. Changing PAR Title to: Amendment to fully define use of addressing and route information currently in the standard Slide 17 Bob Heile, Wi-SUN Alliance Submis
November 2017 doc.: 15-17-0649-00-0000 CSD- 802.15 Comment response to 802.11 1.2.1a: Change capabity to capability and Interenet to Internet Resolution: Accept. Corrections made 1.2.3: Change 801.15.10 to IEEE Std 802.15.10 Resolution: Accept. All instances changed 1.2.4a: Change the sentence to Route handling of dynamically changing networks are being implemented today using the IEEE STD 802.15.10- 2017 Recommended Practice. Resolution: Accept. Sentence replaced with the above. Slide 18 Bob Heile, Wi-SUN Alliance Submis
November 2017 doc.: 15-17-0649-00-0000 802.11 response to resolutions Nothing further to add. Thanks for addressing our comments. Submis Slide 19 Bob Heile, Wi-SUN Alliance
November 2017 doc.: 15-17-0649-00-0000 Response from 802.1CBcv No response received by Wednesday deadline. Updated P802.1CBcv PAR documentation in http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2017/cv-draft-PAR-1017-v03.pdf Updated CSD documentation in http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2017/cv-draft-CSD-0917-v01.pdf Comment the Scope is still too broad and allows for any maintenance change throughout the draft unrelated to YANG definition. Slide 20 Submis Bob Heile, Wi-SUN Alliance
doc.: IEEE 802.11-17-1538r2 November 2017 FINAL REPORT TO 802.11 Report Slide 21 Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)
doc.: IEEE 802.11-17-1538r2 November 2017 Motion To Approve Report Move to accept 11-17/01538r2 as the report from PAR Review SC for the November 2017 plenary. Moved: Dorothy STANLEY 2nd: Mike MONTEMURRO Results: Unanimous Report Slide 22 Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)
doc.: IEEE 802.11-17-1538r2 November 2017 References: IEEE 802 PARs Under consideration Webpage: http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/PARs.shtml Minutes: Previous Plenary: 11-17/1092r0: < https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/17/11-17-1092-00-0PAR-minutes-july-2017-session.docx > Current Meeting: < https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/17/11-17-1715-00-0PAR-minutes-november-2017- session.docx > 11-17/1715r0: Report Slide 23 Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm)
