IEEE 802.19-25 Liaison Report March 2025
Liaison report for the IEEE 802.19-25 group in March 2025 focusing on various topics including Artificial Intelligence, Machine Learning, Architecture, Coexistence, and PAR Review. The report covers meeting goals, technical discussions, agendas, and topics discussed during the plenary meetings.
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March 2025 doc.: IEEE 802.19-25-020r0 802.11 WG March 2025 Liaison Report Date: 2025-3-13 Authors: Name Tuncer Baykas Affiliations Self Address Reston, VA Phone email tbaykas@ieee.org Report Slide 1 Tuncer Baykas (Self)
March 2025 doc.: IEEE 802.19-25-020r0 IEEE 802.11 Groups Type WG SC SC SC 802 SC Group WG11 ARC COEX PAR JTC1 WG & Infrastructure The IEEE 802.11 Working Group Architecture Coexistence PAR review ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 Type TG TG TG TG TG TG TG Group BF BI BK BN BP BQ MF Amendments/Revision WLAN Sensing Enhanced Data Privacy Protection (EDP) 320 MHz Positioning Ultra High Reliability (UHR) Ambient Power (AMP) Integrated mmWave (IMMW) Revision (REVmf) Type SC SC SG TIG Group WNG AIML ELC AUTO New Work Wireless Next Generation AI/ML in 802.11 Enhanced Light Communications Automotive Report Slide 2 Tuncer Baykas, Self
May 2025 doc.: IEEE 802.19-25-020r0 AIML SC March 2025 Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning March 2025 meeting goals: Minutes approval Technical submissions and discussions: One technical contribution One technical report proposal March 2025 Plenary meeting: 1 slot: operating in ET (Atlanta Time) Wednesday March 12: AM2 Agenda: 11-25/188r0 Tuncer Baykas, Self Report Slide 3
May 2025 doc.: IEEE 802.19-25-020r0 ARC (Architecture) March 2025 Will have three meetings this week: Tuesday PM1; Wednesday AM1; Thursday PM1 Agenda is here: 11-25/0222r1, topics: - IEEE Std 802 revision project update effects on 802.11 Tuesday - Continue technical discussions on next slide - Annex G: Discussion of way forward Wednesday and Thursday - Liaison from WBA on QoS, and L4S Deferred until TGbn and REVmf consider this topic - On hold, pending contribution: MLME-RESET, versus MLME-JOIN, MLME-START, MLME-SCAN and MLME- END One aspect is how MAC address is set/controlled related to IEEE 1609/TGbd Tuncer Baykas, Self Report Slide 4
May 2025 doc.: IEEE 802.19-25-020r0 Coex SC (Coexistence) March 2025 This week (detailed agenda, please see: 11-25/0208) Meeting slot(s) 802.11 Coex SC: Tuesday 10:30 12:30h (AM 2) Thursday 08:00 10:00h (AM 1) Topics ETSI BRAN Update BT SIG Update 802.15.4ab NB Status Update Other topics please respond to the call for submissions / contact the chair Tuncer Baykas, Self Report Slide 5
May 2025 doc.: IEEE 802.19-25-020r0 PAR Review SC Snapshot slide Chair: Jon Rosdahl Mar 10-15, 2025 Atlanta, Georgia, USA P802.1AS - Standard - timing and Synchronization for Time-Sensitive Applications - Revision to IEEE Standard 802.1AS-2020, PAR P802.3dp - Amendment - Cabling Restrictions for Single Pair Power over Ethernet (SPoE), PAR and CSD o P802.11br - Amendment - Enhanced Light Communications, PAR and CSD P802.15 - Standard for Low Rate Wireless Networks - Corrigendum to IEEE Standard 802.15.4- 2024, PAR Review the 3 marked (4 dots) PARs on Monday 13:30-15:30 and then post feedback to 802 LMSC Reflector by Tuesday 18:30. Feedback to be reviewed on Thursday, 10:30-12:30 ET Tuncer Baykas, Self Report Slide 6
May 2025 doc.: IEEE 802.19-25-020r0 WNG March 2025 11 March 2025, 0800-1000 Eastern Daylight Time Presentations Intrinsic vulnerabilities of the MIMO channel sounding procedure , Francesca Meneghello (Northeastern University) Post-Quantum 802.11 , Dan Harkins (HPE) Post-Quantum Opportunistic Wireless Encryption (OWE) , Alex Lungu (Samsung) 802.11 Support of VLANs , Donald Eastlake (Independent) A motion for a new SG is expected. Tuncer Baykas, Self Report Slide 7
March 2025 doc.: IEEE 802.19-25-020r0 IEEE 802 JTC1 SC will meet once on Tue, 11 March 2025 @ 4 pm EDT Agenda items (ec-25-0017r01) will include the usual : Review of status of PSDO process Review liaisons & notifications of projects to SC 6 Review status of ballots Report Slide 8 Peter Yee, AKAYLA
May 2025 doc.: IEEE 802.19-25-020r0 A large number of IEEE 802 submissions are in the PSDO balloting process but Waiting for 60-day ballot IEEE 802-REVc IEEE 802.11ba Failed 60-day ballot IEEE 802.11ay Waiting for FDIS IEEE 802.3-2022 IEEE 802.1Qdj IEEE 802.15.7-2018 IEEE 802.15.3-2023 Passed FDIS ballot (resolutions req) Waiting for publication IEEE .1CS-2020/Cor1 IEEE 802.15.4-2020 IEEE 802.1Qcz IEEE 802.1AEdk IEEE 802.15.9 IEEE 802.1Qcj In 60-day ballot Passed 60-day ballot (resolutions req) IEEE 802.11ax IEEE 802.1Qdx IEEE 802.1ASdm IEEE 802.1ASdn In FDIS IEEE 802.1ASdr Published IEEE 802f IEEE 802.1Qcw IPR issues Tuncer Baykas, Self Report Slide 9
May 2025 doc.: IEEE 802.19-25-020r0 IEEE 802 has sent 110 standards through the PSDO adoption process, with 28 in-process WG 802.1 802.3 802.11 802.15 802.16 802.19 802.21 802.22 All Completed 54 32 13 4 0 0 3 4 110 In-process 12 8 0 7 0 1 0 0 28 Tuncer Baykas, Self Report Slide 10
May 2025 doc.: IEEE 802.19-25-020r0 TGmf (Maintenance) Summary Status: IEEE 802.11-2024 is in the process of publication targeted for the end of March P802.11bh and P802.11be are also in the process of being published as amendments Targeted for April Objectives: Discuss contributions on modifications to the REVme D7.0 draft for consideration in the initial REVmf draft. Discuss contributions on topics involving other amendments under publication. Tuncer Baykas, Self Report Slide 11
May 2025 doc.: IEEE 802.19-25-020r0 TGbf (WLAN Sensing) March 2025 Goals for March 2025 session 2 slots scheduled for TGbf Approve meeting minutes P802.11bf report to 802 LMSC on Conditional approval to forward draft to RevCom Motion: P802.11bf fourth recirculation SA ballot Motion: TGbf CSD Re-affirmation Motion: P802.11bf Conditional Forward to REVcom Motion passed Tuncer Baykas, Self Report Slide 12
May 2025 doc.: IEEE 802.19-25-020r0 TGbk 320MHz Positioning TG is charted to extend the Fine Timing Measurement (FTM) procedure to the 320MHz 802.11be waveforms and channelization. 1st recirculation SA ballot completed Feb 7th : Approval rate: 96%. Received 21 comments: 13 T / 8 E. Targets for the IEEE week: Complete response to 1st SA recirculation. Approve 2nd recirculation targeting unchanged draft. Approve report to EC requesting conditional approval to forward draft to RevCom. Motion Passed Tuncer Baykas, Self Report Slide 13
May 2025 doc.: IEEE 802.19-25-020r0 TGbn (Ultra High Reliability) Since the January interim Held 6 telcos between January 2025 and March 2025 (11-25/0207r11) Discussed ~40 submissions, 3 PDTs, ran ~ 5 straw polls covering a variety of topics Coordinated spatial reuse (CSR), non-primary channel access (NPCA), multi-AP framework (MAP), Distributed resource units (DRUs), coordinated RTWT, coordinated TDMA (C-TDMA), roaming,sounding, Coordinated beamforming (CBF), interference mitigation, stream classification service (SCS), security, TXOP sharing, coexistence, dynamic subchannel operation (DSO),low latency, etc. Started/closed comment collection (CC50) on TGbn D0.1 (~4000 comments, 11-25/0296) Targets for March plenary Complete comment assignment of comments from CC50 and initiate comment resolution phase Presentation of proposed draft texts (PDTs), comment resolution (CR), and technical submissions ~150 pending submissions and ~25 pending SPs on presented submissions, Continue populating the TGbn SFD with approved concepts Work towards delivering TGbn D1.0. Agenda is available in 11-25/0221r1 Tuncer Baykas, Self Report Slide 14
May 2025 doc.: IEEE 802.19-25-020r0 TGbp Snapshot for Mar 2025 IEEE 802 Plenary 3 TGbp teleconfrences were held since Jan interim session, focusing on review of updatd SFD and open tech discussion, with agenda included in 11-25/0227r3 and meeting minutes included in 11-25/0240r2 . 8 TGbp meetings are planned during the IEEE 802 Mar plenary session, with a full meeting agenda included in the latest revision of 11-24/0228. Notes, all TGbp meetings will be in conference room 3. Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri AM1 (8:00~10:00) Closing Plenary TGbp TGbp AM2 (10:30~12:30) 802.11 Opening Plenary TGbp PM1 (13:30~15:30) Mid-week Plenary TGbp TGbp (Opening) (SP/Motions/Closing) PM2 (16:00~18:00) TGbp TGbp TGbp EVE (19:30~21:30) Goal for TGbp meetings in this week: open technical discussion and improve FRD/SFD documents based on consensus Tuncer Baykas, Self Report Slide 15
May 2025 doc.: IEEE 802.19-25-020r0 TGbp Timeline Mar 2025 plenary PAR approved Mar 2024 First TG meeting May 2024 D0.1 (ready for CC) Mar, 2025 D1.0 Letter Ballot Feb, 2026 D2.0 LB recirculation Nov, 2026 Form SA Ballot Pool Mar 1 to Mar 31, 2027 Initial SA Ballot (D4.0) Aug, 2027 Final 802.11 WG approval Jan 2028 802 EC approval Mar 2028 RevCom and SASB approval May 2028 Tuncer Baykas, Self Report Slide 16
May 2025 doc.: IEEE 802.19-25-020r0 TGbq (Integrated mmWave) Summary Status: Jonghoe Koo is appointed as secretary Objectives: Editor appointment Vice chair election and confirmation Discuss contributions on scope, timeline, and operation aspect of the project Discuss technical contributions Tuncer Baykas, Self Report Slide 17
March 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.19-25-020r0 ELC SG Enhanced Light Communications ELC PAR and CSD is approved New TG will prepare a CAD. Tuncer Baykas, Self Report Slide 18
May 2025 doc.: IEEE 802.19-25-020r0 Automotive TIG Presentation of submissions IEEE 802.11ai and IEEE 802.11bc for Automotive Use , Hitoshi Morioka (SRC Software) Hybrid MLD for Automotive , Federico Lovison (Cisco) Automotive-TIG-Thoughts on PHY improvements , Azin Neishaboori (General Motors) Proposed IEEE802.11 Automotive TIG Technical Report Text on Regional HD Map Updates use case, Jing Ma (Toyota) Current agenda is 11-25/0213r0 Tuncer Baykas, Self Report Slide 19
