
IEEE 802.24 Vertical Applications TAG Meeting Summary
"Explore the highlights of the IEEE 802.24 Vertical Applications TAG meeting held in July 2021. The meeting covered important agenda items, liaison updates, regulatory matters, and discussions on low latency solutions. Stay informed about the latest developments in vertical market outreach and engagement within the IEEE standards community."
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July 2021 doc.: IEEE 802.24-21-0011r0 802.24 Vertical Applications TAG Closing Report July 19, 2021 Electronic Meeting Submission Slide 1 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
July 2021 doc.: IEEE 802.24-21-0011r0 802.24 Overview Officers TAG Chair: Secretary & TAG Vice Chair: Task Groups 802.24.1 Smart Grid TG 802.24.2 IoT TG 30 Voting Members Tim Godfrey Ben Rolfe Tim Godfrey Chris DiMinico Submission Slide 2
July 2021 doc.: IEEE 802.24-21-0011r0 Agenda Call session to order, present Guidelines for IEEE SA meetings Review of Agenda / Approval of Agenda Approve minutes from prior TAG meeting Introduction/meeting objectives / Review action items from previous meeting / Liaison Updates Low Latency White Paper Review of IoT white paper development "IEEE 802 Solutions for Vertical Applications" White Paper ITU and regulatory items 802.24 new vertical market outreach and engagement Submission Slide 3 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
July 2021 doc.: IEEE 802.24-21-0011r0 802.24 TAG Approve March TAG teleconference minutes 802.24-21-0007r0 Poll will you attend the 2021 November IEEE 802 Plenary in Vancouver, November 14-19. (to be asked late August for Sept 7th) Action Items from May Coordinate meeting with 802.11 AANI and Max Riegel (completed) Submission Slide 4 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
July 2021 doc.: IEEE 802.24-21-0011r0 Liaison Review P2413 Status unknown as of July 2021 ATIS TOPS Wi-Fi Alliance (Informal) ZigBee Alliance / CSA (Informal) Chip project changed to Matter Industrial Internet Consortium Ludwig Winkel Farrokh Khatibi Alan Berkema Ruben Salazar Chris DiMinico TIA is suggested by Chris DiMinico will explore relevant activities Submission Slide 5 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
July 2021 doc.: IEEE 802.24-21-0011r0 Radio Regulatory Items Update from 802.18 Jay Holcomb July 2021 FCC looking for non-federal space operations for shared operation (with coordination) 2025-2110 MHz 2200-2290 MHz 5650-5925 MHz Opening 57-64 GHz for gesture radar. Would co-exist with 802.11ad/ay Finding bands for wireless microphones NPRM. Submission Slide 6 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
July 2021 doc.: IEEE 802.24-21-0011r0 Low latency White Paper Achieving low latency with IEEE 802 standards Including wired and wireless communications An alternative (or complement) to 5G URLLC A set of vertical applications enabled by low latency The challenges of reliable low latency in unlicensed spectrum. Adapting TSN s FRER feature Adapting 802 wireless to licensed spectrum? Operating over multiple bands or channels? Special cases for high data rates for immersive video Latest Draft is 802.24-19-0003r10. (May 2021) Submission Slide 7 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
July 2021 doc.: IEEE 802.24-21-0011r0 Next Steps Alan will add cyber security Ben will provide text on 802.15.14 UWB and 802.15.3. July 2021 accept revisions and upload clean copy with open items highlighted. Submission Slide 8 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
July 2021 doc.: IEEE 802.24-21-0011r0 802.24.2 White Paper Not progressed during July 2021 Submission Slide 9 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
July 2021 doc.: IEEE 802.24-21-0011r0 "IEEE 802 Solutions for Vertical Applications" Previously called Network Integration Current Draft is posted as IEEE802-24/19-0017r6 Discussion 802.11 AANI, report talking about using 802.1CF model for how an 802 radio technology could be integrated with 5G Core. Review for applicability to this white paper, and invite the author(s) to attend next session. Next steps for 802.1CF it is being used and referenced. No identified needs for updates Submission Slide 10 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
July 2021 doc.: IEEE 802.24-21-0011r0 Discussion Follow up on 802.11 AANI --- looking at convergence of IEEE 802 and 3GPP. Presentation of 24-21-0009-00-0000-802-11-aani-sc-status-for-802-24 by Joseph Levy Review 11-21-0865-AANI-draft-reply-ls-from-802-11-to-wba-regarding-the-wba-5g-wi-fi-ran-convergence-paper Appeals to operators, but also many verticals many implementations that address market needs. Improved latency of 802.11be will make it more attractive to verticals. Top-down management style of 3GPP doesn t play well in unlicensed band with uncontrolled interference. Would 802.11 in licensed spectrum be an advantage for the verticals with high QoS and high reliability requirements? Last time was 802.11y, which didn t have much success. 802.11 waveforms could be used in any spectrum, in theory. Rules would allow it. For example 28 GHz was proposed. Uptake of LTE-U has been small compared to Wi-Fi. Availability of advanced QoS in 802.11 is the big change (similar to what 802.3 already has). Relates to response to WBA that 802.11 is not only a best effort technology. WBA issues revolve around QoS and QoS management. They have a very 3GPP-centric view differing from how 802 network specify the same things. Many things are not specified in 802.11 all because of Layer 2 limit. WBA liaison may be co-addressed to Wi-Fi Alliance, who could address higher layers. Given that some vertical applications have QoS and reliability requirements even higher than voice and video, can those use cases be addressed? Maybe, but it depends on controlling the RF environment if the spectrum is unusably congested, no QoS will be sufficient. Updated comments in WP draft updated version to upload: 24-19-0017-06-0000-ieee-802-solutions-for-vertical-applications Submission Slide 11 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
July 2021 doc.: IEEE 802.24-21-0011r0 Next steps for "IEEE 802 Solutions for Vertical Applications White Paper Joseph will extract key features from referenced documents. 11-20-13r15+ Identifying the relevant scope of vertical application from the technical report on Wi-Fi RAN convergence. By September a solidified liaison statement may or may not be ready for return to WBA. It will show what we can expect from the response. A further request could be made to 802.11 if needed. Plan 802.24 Sept meeting late in session, so this info could be known. Schedule after AANI in Sept. Submission Slide 12 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
July 2021 doc.: IEEE 802.24-21-0011r0 Vertical Applications Industry Standards A concept suggested by the 802 Chair Paul Nikolich: In 2019, 802.24 facilitated bringing in new vertical markets and stakeholders (transportation, oil/gas, etc) to fill as standards gap with the 16t project. Are there other vertical segments with standards gaps that we could engage with? Are representatives of these groups already involved in IEEE 802, or is some form of outreach needed? Discussion UWB standards had gaps, consortiums are being formed. Car connectivity for digital keys building on 15.4z. FIRA looking at 4z also access control. Tags, navigation (indoor GPS) are potential gaps. Precision distance between people. Location Services are cross-cutting in many vertical markets. Medical/Geriatrics Coexistence issues products being designed without appreciation for coexistence with existing standards. Smaller vendors need to be engaged to understand value of standards to avoid problems in deployment. Is there a place for IEEE to engage with forums D-Tech, UTC. Customers need to advocate with their suppliers to adopt standards to avoid problems. These issues also affect companies that do support and deploy standards. The lost step of certification not just the standards. Concern about providing home health care for those who can t get out? May be well covered by 802 already, but maybe other aspects could be optimized in the standards? Emerging market, new companies entering. Strong tie-in with IoT, with data- gathering devices. (implications on reliability, security) Make it public that 802.24 is a venue for stakeholders to initiate standardization. Ongoing call for interest . Submission Slide 13 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
July 2021 doc.: IEEE 802.24-21-0011r0 802.24 TAG closing Action Items Follow up on AANI and WBA response w.r.t "IEEE 802 Solutions for Vertical Applications white paper Any New Business? Next Meeting Teleconference during September electronic interim Adjourn Submission Slide 14 Tim Godfrey, EPRI