
IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 AANI SC Teleconference Agenda November 2020
Explore the agenda for the IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 AANI SC teleconference held in November 2020, chaired by Joseph Levy from InterDigital. The agenda covers discussions, rules, reminders, and motions related to the Technical Report, with sessions scheduled for November 3rd and 4th, 2020.
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November 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 AANI SC Teleconference Agenda Date: 2020-11-04 Authors: Name Affiliations Address 111 W 33rd Street New York, NY 10120 Phone email Joseph LEVY InterDigital, Inc. +1.631.622.4139 jslevy@ieee.org Agenda Slide 1 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
November 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 Abstract Agenda for: 802.11 AANI SC (Advanced Access Network Interface Standing Committee) November 2020 Teleconferences During 802.11 WG Plenary Meeting Chair: Joseph Levy (InterDigital) Vice Chair: Open Secretary: Open r1: some minor updates r2: some additional minor updates r3: As updated in the 3 November Teleconference r4: Motions added, prior to the 4 November Teleconference r0: First draft of the Agenda Agenda Slide 2 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
November 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 Reminders and Rules Call for Secretary Reminders to attendees: Please record your attendance: https://imat.ieee.org/attendance Please mute yourself, unless you wish to speak No recordings AANI SC Operating Rules: Anyone present can vote on straw polls Non-preannounced Motions are not in order during 802.11 teleconferences Motions with 10 days notice are allowed (please contact the Chair) During the 802.11 WG Plenary meeting (this meeting) motions are in order. Motions can be made: Anyone present can vote or make motions (Only name and affiliation are required, please register your attendance on imat.) 75% majority required to pass Agenda Slide 3 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
November 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 Discussion on Motions, before approval of the Agenda There has been a request to restrict Motions related to the Technical Report to the AANI SC meeting of Wednesday 4 November (19:00-21:00 h ET) If this action is to be taken the agenda needs to state this restriction. Discussion: Straw Poll held: Do you support restricting Motions on the Technical report to the Wednesday 4 November meeting? Yes 15/71 ( 21%) No 5/71 ( 7%) Abs 21/71 ( 30%) No Answer 30/71 ( 42%) Yes 15, No 5 75% in agreement: Agenda amended to restrict motions to Wednesday 4 November (19:00-21:00 h ET) Agenda Slide 4 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
November 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 Agenda Tuesday 3 November 2020 11:15 13:15 h ET 1. Call for Secretary 2. Administrative: Reminders, Rules, Guidelines, Resources, Participation, Motions discussion, Approval of Minutes, Status [10 min.], 3. Technical Report [110 min.] Motions related to the Technical report are not in order a) Status of 802.11 WG CC32 on 11-20/0013r5 b) Comment Resolution Contributions c) Motions related to the Technical report are not in order d) Straw Polls e) Discussion on way forward/goals Wednesday 4 November 2020 19:00 21:00 h ET 1. Call for Secretary/Admin [5 min] 2. Continue discussion/straw polls/motions on the Technical Report [115 min.] Motions are in order a) Motions (resolutions of comments previously supported by Straw Poll) b) Discussion c) Additional Motions Agenda Slide 5 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
November 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 Agenda (cont.) Thursday 5 November 2020 11:15 13:15 h ET 1. Call for Secretary/Admin [5 min] 2. Continue discussion/straw polls/motions on the Technical Report [115 min.] Motions related to the Technical report are not in order Monday 9 November 2020 13:30 15:30 h ET 1. Call for Secretary/Admin [5 min] 2. Continue discussion/straw polls/motions on the Technical Report [110 min.] Motions related to the Technical report are not in order 3. Future Sessions Planning [5 min.] Agenda Slide 6 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
November 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 Guidelines for IEEE-SA Meetings All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. Don t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. Don t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings. Technical considerations remain primary focus Don t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. Don t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. Don t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed do formally object. --------------------------------------------------------------- If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at patcom@ieee.org or visit http://standards.ieee.org/about/sasb/patcom/index.html See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause 5.3.10 and Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy for more details. This slide set is available at https://development.standards.ieee.org/myproject/Public/mytools/mob/preparslides.ppt Agenda Slide 7 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
November 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 Resources URLs Link to IEEE Disclosure of Affiliation http://standards.ieee.org/faqs/affiliationFAQ.html Links to IEEE Antitrust Guidelines http://standards.ieee.org/resources/antitrust-guidelines.pdf Link to IEEE Code of Ethics http://www.ieee.org/web/membership/ethics/code_ethics.html Link to IEEE Patent Policy http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt Agenda Slide 8 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
November 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 Participation in IEEE 802 Meetings The IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws require that participants in the IEEE standards development individual process shall act based on their qualifications and experience This means participants: Shall act & vote based on their personal & independent opinions derived from their expertise, knowledge, and qualifications Shall not act or vote based on any obligation to or any direction from any other person or organization, including an employer or client, regardless of any external commitments, agreements, contracts, or orders Shall not direct the actions or votes of other participants or retaliate against other participants for fulfilling their responsibility to act & vote based on their personal & independently developed opinions By participating in this meeting, you are deemed to accept these requirements; if you are unable to satisfy these requirements then you shall immediately cease any participation Agenda Slide 9 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
November 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 Approval of Minutes Minutes from the 15 September 2020 Telecon (802.11 September Interim): 11-20/1512r1 Comments? Objections to approving the minutes? Minutes from AANI SC Teleconferences: 1 October 2020 Teleconference: 11-20/1567r0 8 October 2020 Teleconference: 11-20/1600r1 13 October 2020 Teleconference: 11-20/1668r0 Available as of today: 20 October 2020 Teleconference: 11-20/1689r0 27 October 2020 Teleconference: 11-20/1748r0 Comments? Objections to approving the minutes? Agenda Slide 10 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
November 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 Status on the Proposal on Interworking July 2019 a proposal was made: 11-19/1160r1 Proposal on Interworking between IEEE 802.11 WLAN and 3GPP 5G Core Network Sept 2019 more details: 11-19/1529r1, Objective and scope of technical report on interworking between 5G core network and WLAN November 2019 two contributions were discussed: 11-19/2046r0 The Initial Technical Draft Report on Interworking between 3GPP 5G Network & WLAN - Hyun Seo OH (ETRI) 11-19/1843 - Initial technical draft report on interworking between 3GPP 5G network & WLAN - Hyun Seo OH (ETRI) January 2020 a contribution was discussed: 11-20/0013r0 Draft technical report on interworking between 3GPP 5G network & WLAN - Hyun Seo OH(ETRI) April 2020 two contributions were discussed: 11-20/o013r1 Draft technical report on interworking between 3GPP 5G network & WLAN - Hyun Seo OH(ETRI) 11-20/0580r0 Consideration of interworking between 3GPP 5G core and IEEE 802.11 - Max Riegel (Nokia) June 2020 report was discussed: 11-20/0013r2 Draft technical report on interworking between 3GPP 5G network & WLAN 6 July 2020 an updated version of the report was discussed 11-20/0013r3 Draft technical report on interworking between 3GPP 5G network & WLAN Hyun Seo OH (ETRI) was reviewed and changes were discussed 14 July 2020 11-20/0013r3 Draft technical report on interworking between 3GPP 5G network & WLAN , Hyun Seo OH (ETRI), et al. 11-20/1031r0 11-20-0013-03-AANI-draft-technical-report-on-interworking-between-3gpp-5g-network-wlan-Intel-comments , Binita Gupta (Intel), Necati Canpolat (Intel), Carlos Cordeiro (Intel) Agenda Slide 11 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
November 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 Status on the Proposal on Interworking (cont.) 29 July 2020 11-20/0013r4 Draft technical report on interworking between 3GPP 5G network & WLAN , Hyun Seo OH (ETRI), et al. was reviewed. A Straw Poll: Should the AANI SC request a 20 day 802.11 WG comment collection on the Draft technical report on interworking between 3GPP 5G network & WLAN" 11-20/0013R4? Yes:15, No:0, Abstain:1, No Answer: 2 30 July 2020 a 20 day 802.11 WG Comment Collection (CC32) on 11-20/0013r5 was launched, completed on 19 August 2020 111 Comments received: 60 technical, 43 editorial, 8 general 25 August 2020 Comment Resolution kicked off - 104 of 111 Comments Assigned 11-20/1262r2 1 September 2020 Comment Resolution: Reviewed proposed comment resolutions in 11-20/1262r3 on technical report: 11-20/0013r5 Reviewed 11-20/1356r0 Proposed comment resolution for CID 10,11, 12, 105 Alternate technical report was briefly reviewed: 11-20/1376r0 15 September 2020 Comment Resolution (see minutes: 11-20/1512r1) one Motion passed 1 October 2020 (see minutes: 11-20/1567) one Straw Poll agreed 8 October 2020 (see minutes: 11-20/1600) two Straw Polls agreed 13 October 2020 (see minutes; 11-20/1668) no Straw Polls - 802 Tutorial (11-20/1601) 20 October 2020 (see minutes; 11-20/1689) no Straw Polls 27 October 2020 (see minutes; 11-20/1748) no Straw Polls Agenda Slide 12 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
October 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 Comment Resolution Status 11-20/1262r5 CC32 AANI Report Comments no change Type of comment AssignedProposed Accept Revise Reject SP RFM Motioned M+RFM Open In Document Total Motions related to the Technical report are not in order Technical 58 58 49 9 0 56 56 0 56 4 0 60 Editorial 43 43 41 2 0 2 2 41 43 0 0 43 General 3 3 3 0 0 3 3 0 3 5 0 8 Grand Total 104 104 61 61 41 102 9 0 111 Agenda Slide 13 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
November 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 Contributions Taken 2020-11-03 1. 11-20/0013r7 - Draft technical report on interworking between 3GPP 5G network & WLAN - Hyun Seo Oh (ETRI) 2. 11-20/1645r1 - The original figures in the draft technical report on interworking between 3GPP 5G network and WLAN - Hyun Seo Oh (ETRI) Agenda Slide 14 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
November 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 MOTIONS Agenda Slide 15 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
November 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 Motions Motion 2: Move to approve the proposed resolutions provided in 11-20/1550r0 for the CIDs: 1, 8, 10, 11, 12, 19, 75, 91, 96, 98, 104, 105 as shown in 11-20-1262r5. With editorial privileges given to the AANI Chair. Moved: Stuart Kerry Second: Hyun Seo Oh Result: Y:23 N:0 A:23 DNV:31 Straw Poll: 2020-10-01 SP#1 Y:8 N:0 A:2 DNV:2 Agenda Slide 16 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
November 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 Motions (cont.) Motion 3: Move to approve the proposed resolution for the technical comments in CIDs: 2, 3, 6, 9, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 40, 41, 43, 44, 46, 48, 74, 76, 77, 78, 79, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 97, 100, 101, 103, 106, 107, 108, 109, 110, 111 as shown in 11-20-1262r5. With editorial privileges given to the AANI Chair. Moved: Harry Hao Wang Second: Hyun Seo Oh Result: Y:21 N:0 A:23 DNV:36 Straw Poll: 2020-10-6 SP#1 Y:6 N:1 A:1 DNV:2 Agenda Slide 17 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
November 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 Motions (cont.) Motion 4: Move to approve the proposed resolution for the general comments in CIDs: 92, 93, and 99, as shown in 11-20-1262r5. With editorial privileges given to the AANI Chair. Moved: Stuart Kerry Second: Hyun Seo Oh Result: Y:18 N:0 A:16 DNV:46 Straw Poll: 2020-10-6 SP#2 Y:7 N:1 A:0 DNV:2 Agenda Slide 18 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
November 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 Comment Resolution Discussion / Contributions 1. ??? Agenda Slide 19 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
October 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 Open: 2 Comments marked for acceptance w/no text changes CIDs: 5 and 7 Comment The sentence states that there is a terminal type (an UE and a STA). However, there is also a separate STA terminal type (see Figure3), so there are really two terminal types. C P C L Proposed Change Modify the scope to state that there are two terminals types: 1) a UE and a STA, 2) a STA Change the text to read "RAN level (layer 2) interworking and CN level (layer 3 and above) interworking [2-4]." T 6 2.223 It may help to explain RAN level and CN level a little more T 7 3.129 Agenda Slide 20 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
November 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 From 11-20/0013r5: 2.2 Scope This report covers an interworking reference model, necessary functionalities and specific procedures that 19 allow WLAN access networks to interwork with 3GPP 5G network. Two types of interworking reference 20 models are considered: a tightly coupled model and loosely coupled model. The interworking reference model consists of terminal part (an UE and a STA), access networks (3GPP and WLAN), 3GPP 5G core network and data network as shown in Figure 1. Two access networks are connected to server via 3GPP 5G core network. 3GPP access network and 5G core network are defined in 3GPP specification and WLAN access network considered is defined in the IEEE 802 network reference model of IEEE 802.1CF-2019 [18]. From 11-20/0013r7: This report considers two types of interworking reference model: a tightly coupled model and loosely coupled model that connects different types of terminal individually. The architectural models, necessary functionalities and specific procedures that allow WLAN access networks to interwork with 3GPP 5G core network services are discussed for both the trusted as well as untrusted case as defined in TS 23.501 comprising integrated or stand-alone implementations of WLAN and 3GPP 5G access networks and terminals. The high level interworking reference model consists of terminal, access networks, 3GPP 5G core network and a data network as shown in Figure 1. In Figure 2, it further entails the functions within each entity. There are two terminal types: 1) a UE and a STA, 2) a STA. 3GPP access network and 5G core network are defined in 3GPP specification [8, 16] and WLAN access network considered is defined in the IEEE 802 network reference model of IEEE 802.1CF-2019 [18]. CID 5 Agenda Slide 21 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
November 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 CID 7 From 11-20/0013r5: 3.1 WLAN Interworking types (last paragraph) 3GPP LTE-based (4G) cellular system has specified both RAN level interworking and CN level interworking [2-4]. The RAN level interworking belongs to tightly coupled interworking model and the CN level interworking belongs to loosely coupled interworking model. However, 3GPP 5G system has allowed WLAN access as a non-3GPP Radio Access Technologies (RAT) that can be directly connected to 5G Core Network (CN) via the N3IWF (Non-3GPP Interworking Function) or the TNGF (Trusted Non-3GPP Gateway Function) depending on whether the WLAN is trusted or untrusted [8]. Therefore, the CN level interworking model in the 5G system is different from the LTE system. From 11-20/0013r7: 3GPP cellular system has specified both RAN level (layer 2) interworking and CN level (layer 3 and above) interworking [2-4]. The RAN level interworking belongs to the tightly coupled interworking model and the CN level interworking belongs to the loosely coupled interworking model. However, 3GPP 5G system has allowed WLAN access as a non-3GPP Radio Access Technologies (RAT) that can be directly connected to 5G Core Network (CN) via the N3IWF (Non-3GPP Interworking Function) or the TNGF (Trusted Non-3GPP Gateway Function) depending on whether the WLAN is trusted or untrusted [8]. Therefore, the CN level interworking model in the 5G system is different from the LTE system. Agenda Slide 22 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
November 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 Motions (cont.) Motion 5: Move to accept resolutions on 11-20-1602r4 slides for CID 5 and 7 from 11-20- 0013r7 and add them to 11-20-1262r5. With editorial privileges given to the AANI Chair. Moved: Peter Ecclesine Second: Stuart Kerry Result: Y:20 N:0 A:13 DNV:45 Agenda Slide 23 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
October 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 Open: 2 Similar General Comments CIDs: 72 and 73 Comment In this TR, there is no discussion and evaluation result to show WLAN can support high rate to meet the performance of 5G network vision in the low mobility scenario. And in Table 5, it is also mentioned that 802.11ax MAC can not support 3GPP GBR and delay critical GBR service In this TR, there is no discussion and evaluation result to show WLAN can support high rate to meet the performance of 5G network vision in the low mobility scenario. Moreover, there is no discussion in 3GPP on the interworking between NR and WLAN. Proposed resolution: Reject Comments request additional content that is out of scope of this report and no text proposal has been provided. Agenda Slide 24 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
October 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 CIDs: 72 and 73 Discussion: Should a reference or summary of the performance of the 802.11 RAT (Radio Access Technology) be provided in this report? If yes - who will provide a text contribution for the report? If no - suggest the comment should be resolve: Reject Comments request additional content that is out of scope of this report and no text proposal has been provided. Reject These comments are not relevant within the scope of this report. Agenda Slide 25 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
November 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 Motions (cont.) Motion 6: Move to reject CIDs 72 and 73 with the reason: these comments are not relevant within the scope of this report. Add these resolutions to 11-20- 1262r5. Moved: Peter Ecclesine Second: Hyun Seo Oh Result: Y:16 N:0 A:10 DNV:51 Agenda Slide 26 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
October 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 Open: CID 69 - Technical w/no text changes Comment This technical report has several inaccuracies, misinformation and missing details on the WLAN and 5G interworking as defined by 3GPP in Release 15 and 16. There is major lack of technical accuracy and technical clarity in section 3 and 4. The report is misleading in terms of what functions need to be supported within WLAN to enable interworking. The set of new functions/protocols identified in section 5 to be implemented within WLAN do not accurately represent what needs to be supported in WLAN to enable interworking and are quite misleading. Overall, due to the technical inaccuracies as well as misinformed and misguided nature of the report, this technical report does not serve the purpose of providing a reliable reference for stakeholder/groups interested in enabling WLAN interworking with 5G networks. Agenda Slide 27 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
October 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 Open: CID 71 - Technical w/no text changes Comment This document has too many issues and misleading information on overall WLAN & 5G integration options, architectures and solutions. It would be very confusing and concerning to publish such a report. Also, please note that there is a parallel related "5G & WLAN RAN Convergence" work at WBA. It is important that we are aware of what is already happening in this space rather than proposing something disregarding them. Agenda Slide 28 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
October 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 Open: 3 Similar General Comments CIDs: 68, 70, and 80 Comment This technical report does not accurately reflect 5G and WLAN interworking as defined in 3GPP. It is misguided in terms of the new functionality being asked to be added in the WLAN STA and AP to support interworking. It is difficult to understand the report and how to use it to enable the support for interworking with 5G within the WLAN domain. The comment submitter will provide a separate submission on the 5G and WLAN interworking. There are several inaccuracies and misinformation in this technical report related to WLAN integration and interworking with 5G. The TSN architecture as shown for the 5G and WLAN converged network and also for the WLAN only network is incorrect. The recommendations made at the end of the report do not accurately represent what is needed to enable interworking Agenda Slide 29 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)
November 2020 doc.: IEEE 802.11-20/1602r5 Future Sessions Planning 802.11 WG January Interim Teleconferences: AANI SC - - TBA Closing 802.11 WG Plenary, TBA AANI SC Teleconference Plan (weekly meetings until comment resoluitons is completed): 1. Tuesday 17 November 9:00am-10:00am ET: comment resolution 2. Tuesday 24 November 9:00am-10:00am ET: comment resolution 3. Tuesday 1 December 9:00am-10:00am ET: comment resolution 4. Tuesday 8 December 9:00am-10:00am ET: comment resolution 5. Tuesday 15 December 9:00am-10:00am ET: comment resolution 6. Tuesday 5 January 9:00am-10:00am ET: comment resolution Additional Teleconferences Scheduled as required (with 10 days notice) The AANI SC is contribution driven, contributions on the following are in scope: 1. To resolve comments from CC32 and on Interworking of 802.11 with 3GPP. 2. Contributions on 802.11 technical performance relative to IMT-2020 requirements 3. In support of 802.1 Nendica Agenda Slide 30 Joseph Levy (InterDigital)