
IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 Vertical Applications Meeting Highlights
In November 2018, the IEEE 802.24 Vertical Applications TAG held a productive meeting in Bangkok, Thailand. The meeting covered various topics such as Smart Grid, IoT, agenda review, liaison activities, and future plans for task groups. Guidelines for IEEE-SA meetings were emphasized to ensure compliance with laws and patents. Explore key insights and agenda details from the meeting through the provided slides.
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November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 802.24 Vertical Applications TAG November 2018 Meeting Bangkok, Thailand Submission Slide 1 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 802.24 Overview Officers TAG Chair: Secretary & TAG Vice Chair: Task Groups 802.24.1 Smart Grid TG 802.24.2 IoT TG 26 Voting Members Agenda: 24-18-0024-00-0000 Meetings for the Week Tuesday PM2 Wednesday PM2 Thursday PM2 Tim Godfrey Ben Rolfe Tim Godfrey Chris DiMinico 24.1 24.2 24.1 Manual attendance tracking for 802.1 & 802.3 members Submission Slide 2
Agenda 802.24-18-0024r2 November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 802.24 Agenda - November 2018, Bangkok, Thailand 24-18-0024-02-0000 1 Tuesday PM2 session 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.7 Call session to order, present Guidelines for IEEE SA meetings , Quorum Review of Agenda / Approval of Agenda Approve minutes from prior TAG meeting Introduction/meeting objectives / Review action items from previous meeting Liaison Review 802.24.1 Smart Grid Task Group ITU and regulatory items Godfrey Godfrey Godfrey Godfrey Godfrey Godfrey 5 5 5 5 4:00 PM 4:05 PM 4:10 PM 4:15 PM 4:20 PM 4:35 PM 15 0 Godfrey/Holcomb 15 4:35 PM 1.8 Review and resolve comments on TSN White Paper comment collection (Joined by 802.1 TSN) Godfrey Godfrey 60 0 4:50 PM 5:50 PM 1.9 Recess 2 Wednesday PM2 session 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 Call to Order 802.24 TAG Discussion on "Network Integration" action item from EC leadership meeting DiMinico Godfrey DiMinico DiMinico 0 4:00 PM 4:30 PM 5:00 PM 5:00 PM 30 0 15 Call to Order 802.24.2 IoT Task Group 802.24.2 Liaison Coordinator's Report Collaboration (informal liaison) with Wi-Fi Alliance on IoT Use Cases) Review of IoT white paper development DiMinico/Godfrey DiMinico 15 15 5:15 PM 5:30 PM 2.6 2.7 Discussion on plan and new activities for IoT task group and broader engagement Recess DiMinico/Godfrey Godfrey 15 0 5:45 PM 6:00 PM 2.8 3 Thursday PM2 session 3.1 3.2 3.3 Call to Order 802.24.1 Smart Grid Task Group Comments and feedback from NIST on Smart Grid Wireless Standards Matrix Any incoming comments from IEEE PES PSCC S6 Task Force regarding 802.24 contribution to "Standards for integrating Home Automation IoT to Power Utilities Communication System" Godfrey Godfrey 0 4:00 PM 4:00 PM 30 Godfrey 15 4:30 PM Liasion Discussion of IEC SEG8 report "Monitoring and impact assessment of emerging technologies and architectures" 3.4 Godfrey Godfrey Godfrey 30 10 0 4:45 PM 5:15 PM 5:25 PM 3.5 3.6 802.24 New Action Items, New Activities, AOB Adjourn Submission Slide 3 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 Guidelines for IEEE-SA Meetings All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. Don t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. Don t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings. Technical considerations remain primary focus Don t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. Don t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. Don t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed do formally object. --------------------------------------------------------------- If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at patcom@ieee.org or visit http://standards.ieee.org/about/sasb/patcom/index.html See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause 5.3.10 and Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy for more details. This slide set is available at https://development.standards.ieee.org/myproject/Public/mytools/mob/preparslides.ppt Submission IEEE 802 Executive Committee
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 Participation in IEEE 802 Meetings Participation in any IEEE 802 meeting (Sponsor, Sponsor subgroup, Working Group, Working Group subgroup, etc.) is on an individual basis Participants in the IEEE standards development individual process shall act based on their qualifications and experience. (https://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/bylaws/sb_bylaws.pdf section 5.2.1) IEEE 802 Working Group membership is by individual; Working Group members shall participate in the consensus process in a manner consistent with their professional expert opinion as individuals, and not as organizational representatives . (subclause 4.2.1 Establishment , of the IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures) Participants have an obligation to act and vote as an individual and not under the direction of any other individual or group. A Participant s obligation to act and vote as an individual applies in all cases, regardless of any external commitments, agreements, contracts, or orders. Participants shall not direct the actions or votes of any other member of an IEEE 802 Working Group or retaliate against any other member for their actions or votes within IEEE 802 Working Group meetings, see https://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/bylaws/sb_bylaws.pdf section 5.2.1.3 and the IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures, subclause 3.4.1 Chair , list item x. By participating in IEEE 802 meetings, you accept these requirements. If you do not agree to these policies then you shall not participate. (Latest revision of IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures: http://www.ieee802.org/devdocs.shtml ) Submission Slide 5 IEEE 802 Executive Committee
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 Administration Attendance take on IMAT Reciprocal rights for most WGs Web page http://www.ieee802.org/24 Mailing list stds-802-24@listserv.ieee.org 802-24-voters@listserv.ieee.org (voters list) Document archive http://mentor.ieee.org/802.24/documents IEEE 802 announcement reflector, stds-802-all@listserv.ieee.org Send email to listserv@listserv.ieee.org with no subject and with the following 2 lines appearing first in the body of the message Subscribe stds-802-all end Submission Slide 6 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 802.24 TAG Approve September minutes 24-18-0021r0 TAG Action Items from September: Send Sub-1GHz white paper back to Tanya at IEEE for publishing Farrokh Khatibi will provide introduction to ATIS group for liaison Submission Slide 7 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 Liaison with IEC SEG8 Scope of SEG8: Assess, provide an overview and prioritization of the evolution of technical development and standardization in the field of communication technologies and architectures The report includes aspects relevant to both Smart Grid and IoT. SEG8 Chairman received our liaison request and replied that they don t need a formal liaison They invite 802.24 members to join SEG8 Document sharing is being arranged Submission Slide 8 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 Sub 1 GHz White Paper Submitted to publishing Status update from IEEE this week? Submission Slide 9 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 Tuesday 802.24.1 Smart Grid TG Submission Slide 10 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 ITU and Radio Regulatory Items Update from 802.18 Jay Holcomb Open Questions RE: FCC notice on 3.7 4.2 GHz. Are sharing rules similar to CBRS? Implication of CBRS rules for Smart Grid FANs - topic for white paper? Submission Slide 11 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 TSN White Paper 802.1 TSN interested parties joining 802.24 for this meeting slot Comment Collection The 802.24 TAG and 802.1 TSN TG solicit comments on 802.24-18-0011-00-sgtg "Utility Applications of Time Sensitive Networking White Paper" Comment submittal spreadsheet provided Combined Comments Document (to be prepared after closing of collection) Submission Slide 12 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 TSN White Paper comment resolution Notes Submission Slide 13 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 Wednesday 802.24 TAG Submission Slide 14 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 Network Integration action item Action assigned from 802 EC leadership conference in July. Discussion on role and positioning of IEEE 802 in standards, especially with respect to 3GPP and the publicity on 5G What is meant by Network Integration? Does the IEEE 802 architecture provide a unique value to vertical market? Is IEEE 802 more suited to deployment in the communication infrastructure of private enterprise, industry, and the individual user? (Compared to 3GPP, which is more oriented towards service providers?) The IEEE 802 architecture enables networks that are like Ethernet: Well understood, mature, predictable. A cleaner integration of disparate technologies under the common architecture and addressing. Can we develop a clearer definition and description of this distinction and the value for the user / implementer? Can this be developed into a white paper? Submission Slide 15 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 Wednesday 802.24.2 IoT TG Submission Slide 16 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 802.24.2 802.24.2 Liaison Coordinator's Report Peter Jones Wi-Fi Alliance Liaison Informal structure Sharing WFA document on IoT Use Cases Review and response Submission Slide 17 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 802.24.2 Status and development of IoT White paper 802.24-17-0036r2 Ludwig is developing some related materials. Can we pull new developments from P2413 into this white paper? Start Single Pair Ethernet white paper through IEEE process 802.24-18-0011r0 Comment collection on reflector TIA and IEC standards related to SPE and IoT TIA TR42 report to 802.3, ISO IEC SC25 Power over Ethernet UL and NEC are getting involved Submission Slide 18 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 Building engagement in TG2 IoT Discussion on plan and new activities for IoT task group and broader engagement What are the IoT activities in IEEE 802? 802.15.4 Wi-SUN is going after IoT in addition to Smart Grid 802.15.4w LPWA another IoT focus 802.11ah (Halow), 802.11ba (WUR) Can we find volunteers to contribute to IoT white paper? Submission Slide 19 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 Thursday 802.24.1 Smart Grid TG Submission Slide 20 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 Wireless Matrix Feedback and questions have come in from SEPA and NIST IEEE Std 802.11ah: What version did we use to populate the matrix that the spreadsheet content file was dated 09-03-13 (assuming that was 2013)? What David called out and I see also is the IEEE Std 802.11ah-2016 (approved Dec2016, pub May2017). I really thought the prior work was just on released standards, was I wrong? Tim reported early on that 802.11ah review/update was delegated to Alfred Asterjadhi and it was completed, except for a spectrum efficiency Q which was assigned to 802.11ax chair to investigate. Was that 11ah review/updated folded back into the matrix? Tim/Doug this is a question for you two. If the 11ah update folded in, my diff compare between the earlier 2013 matrix version with our working version, did not indicate any content changes for 11ah. So did the IEEE members of this year s matrix review/updating, work from 2016 version and did not note any diffs from the 2013-2014 era content? IEEE Std 802.11, 802.11ac, 802.11n: Was 802.11 reviewed and updated? If updated, which version was it updated to? If it was the latest version, then as David stated, the latest version of 802.11 is 802.11-2016 and it contains 802.11ac-2013 and 802.11n- 2009 and therefor the entries for 11ac and 11n should be deleted, correct? The assumption is that 11n and 11ac names should be changed to indicate 802.11n-2009 and 802.11ac-2013. IEEE 802.15.4 HRP-UWB David using that ref for web searches does bring up several scholarly hits via Google, or check with Ruben Salazar (Landis+Gyr) Submission Slide 21 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 IEEE PSCC TF S6 January 2018 Study Report "Standards for integrating Home Automation IoT to Power Utilities Communication Systems Placeholder for any discussing any liaison input or review of new draft Submission Slide 22 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 Liaison with IEC SEG8 Scope of SEG8: Assess, provide an overview and prioritization of the evolution of technical development and standardization in the field of communication technologies and architectures The report includes aspects relevant to both Smart Grid and IoT. Document Sharing in 802.24 Private Area SEG 8 - COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGIES AND ARCHITECTURES OF ELECTROTECHNICAL SYSTEMS Monitoring and impact assessment of emerging technologies and architectures (Draft 13.08.2018) Update expected from SEG8 following their meeting 18-22 October 2018 Submission Slide 23 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 IEC SEG8 Document review and discussion Key chapters relevant to input from 802.24 IoT Technologies Single-pair Ethernet (SPE) Deterministic Networking Low-Power Wide-Area Networks (LPWAN) V2V, V2I, V2P and V2N communication technologies Submission Slide 24 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 802.15.4g and 802.11ah Coexistence 802.24 will develop a whitepaper/document for application-specific use cases. Identifying where each standard is most suitable, and how to make best use of other changes. Identify use cases where 802.15.4g is not sufficient and both are needed Could be choices of applications, channel guidelines, duty cycle, Avoid perception that 802 standards are unable to coexist Evaluate and describe potential application-level implications of delay/latency increases due to mutual interference If NS-3 simulation models can be shared, others in IEEE 802 could progress that work. MERL will share simulation models on Github. New modules for 11ah 15.4g Submission Slide 25 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 802.24 TAG closing Action Items from this meeting Any New Business? Submission Slide 26 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 Backup / Reference Submission Slide 27 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 Future Opportunities Tracking At plenary meetings review upcoming needs and opportunities for 802.24 projects. Are there any new utility industry activities or organizations that could benefit from a liaison to 802.24? ATIS is developing spreadsheet to classify IoT services, and their characteristics, and communication link requirements. Establish a liaison with that group. Potentially have a liaison request by September meeting Can we progress or expand the activities of the IoT Task Group? Submission Slide 28 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 Future Opportunities Tracking (.2) 802.24 white paper on IoT and P2413? Maybe more towards completion of P2413? Agnostic to underlying communications, but applicable to all 802 standards. Highlight the relationship between P2413 and 802 standards Discuss in 802.24.2 Submission Slide 29 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 Future Opportunities Tracking 802.15.12 ULI Incorporating features from 802.15.9 RP which are currently used in utility networking into ULI standard Some other areas of potential interest Develop use cases and examples of an integrated multi-802 network including 802.15. Explain the 48/64 bit bridging issues and solutions. Still in development (review again at end of 2018) 802.15.4s SMR spectrum management resources Can 802.24 provide an input with respect to Smart Grid or IoT? IEC 65C WG 17 dealing with coexistence management and spectrum policy ETSI TCRRS reconfigurable radio systems ETSI TCERM WG 41 defining a central coordination point to handle spectrum. Sharing and increasing coexistence and providing better QoS Nov 2017: May be useful for dynamic radio management identified by utilities as import for future network deployments 4s resource management is defined, but now how they are used White paper could cover how adaptation and resource management are accomplished. Including use of metrics for management. Cross-standard application of metrics Dynamic adaptability of 802.15.4 networks in the same spectrum as other 802 standards Compare and contrast with link adaptation in other 802 standards July 2018 Managing radios and link adaptation a common issue across different radio types. Is 4s providing needed measurements? Can 2-way power control be leveraged in grid applications? Can this standard be used as a sensor to understand how to best use 915 MHz ISM? Could we create an application guide for applying 15.4s in sub-1GHz spectrum? Better sharing/coex? Slide 30 Submission Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 Other Future Opportunities 802.15.4w LPWAN (and links to IETF) An 802-based alternative to proprietary LPWAN s White paper to compare and contrast with other LPWAN technologies? See where IG-DEP goes. Many use cases presented already covered by 802 standards Potential application in utility networks for extremely hard to reach endpoints Extremely low power use cases may be of interest to utility applications Participation required to steer to useful work Applying new bands and channel plans 802.15.4u and 802.15.4v completed. Add bands in various regions for existing 802.15.4 PHYs commonly used in smart grid. Action: Early 2019: Plan update of first white paper to address latest amendments of 802.15.4 w, x, y Submission Slide 31 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
November 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0025r1 Nendica IEEE 802 network enhancements for the next decade Industry Connections Activity Initiation Document (ICAID) NENDICA develops reports on specific topics. Completed data centers. Distributed Radio Access Networks 802.1 standard for intra-base station (TSN for fronthaul) (could it apply to 802.11?) Perhaps there are aspects of this TSN that can serve vertical applications? Second work item: Flexible Factory IoT apply TSN 802.24 can provide review and feedback. Coordinated, distributed, network management Provide guidance on factory applications and the requirements for wireless TSN Potential 802.24 activities Identify vertical applications that could be enabled by TSN features Identify vertical application that could be enabled if TSN features were present in wireless standards Can interfaces between wired and wireless map application-specific streams? Provide vertical application requirements (needs, underlying problems) to Nendica. Nendica is linked with 802.1 Describing what is needed to define a common framework for TSN across wired and wireless standards. How do they fit together. Slide 32 Submission Tim Godfrey, EPRI